Published on August 26, 2004 By jotter In Religion
I was raised in an ultra Christian household with parents who felt that all other religions had it all wrong. It was only through Jesus that you would be saved and ultimately go to heaven. And being a devout church attendee I never questioned their views, they just simply became my own. It was a long time before I started to notice, let say late teens, that this religion was not working for me. And when I attended college it became clear to me just how closed minded the people of this faith are.

So, what about the millions of people who have spent a lifetime adhering to the beliefs and practices of their religion. Buddhist, Muslims, Taoist to name a few. Is it impossible to comprehend that God would condemn these people to eternal damnation because they do not acknowledge Jesus as the savior? What kind of God would allow such an atrocity?

And what about the central work of the Christian faith? The Bible and in particular the Old Testament. Many of the stories are excellent literary works that make for a very interesting read. The tales are exciting and often times amusing, but if you are a Christian you take this book as fact and directly from God. But how can people blindly believe such fictional accounts. Don't all religions have similar stories? I believe nearly every major religion incorporates such tales into their history and the interesting detail here is that many of the stories are strikingly similar to those in the Bible. Several religions talk about floods, magnificent after lives, fiery purgatories etc. I just have difficulty believing that their version is the correct one and the others are incorrect.

I can't be the only one that noticed the magnetism of this religion to freaks and assorted social outcasts. From my own personal experience, I can recall a plethora of whacko that I come in contact with who has essential roles in local churches. It just seems that such an all-powerful religion would attract some normal people; there are just too many oddballs in that faith.

I will end here for tonight because I believe this post is starting reflect how angry this topic can make me and I want to begin a more upbeat and postive article for later.

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on Aug 26, 2004
Good post jotter,
Are you a practicing agnostic now? If you write about religion we would also like to know
where you are at in your life as well as where you came from.

Come visit sometime. (My language might offend occaisionaly but hey.)
on Aug 26, 2004
Excellent Blog... I share the same views (without actually being raised in an ultra Christian household!) as you do!

I do not believe in "God"... honestly, I am not too sure what it is that I believe in. I know I treat people with respect and kindness... the way I want to be treated, and if that is not good enough, should ever meet "God", then so be it.
on Aug 26, 2004
It reminds me of that joke where some guy dies and goes to heaven and St Peter takes him through the pearly gates. When they go through the gates there is a huge gathering of people from all walks of life, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists.. and then they come to a door and St Peter says " Shh, dont go in there .. thats where the Christians are and they think they are the only ones in here".

on Aug 26, 2004
I believe that all faiths have people like you described. They get caught up in the church, but miss the core beliefs of their religion.

Excelent post!
on Aug 26, 2004
And what of the Buddhists, Muslims, and Taoists you describe? If I wrote an article decrying the practitioners of their faiths as "freaks and other assorted social outcasts" and declaring their holy books to be fiction, would you bump me with an insightful?

Sorry, but you miss the boat on this one. I can hardly conceive that your formative years as a Christian led you to encounter every single Christian on the planet in such a way that you can summarily dismiss them. You choose hurtful, hateful words in your post, and given the obvious intelligence you convey in your writing, I hardly think it's accidental.

I want to read more of your posts, and am looking forward to the more happy posts you intend to write. I would encourage you, however, to not be so quick to lump all Christians in the same box.
on Aug 26, 2004
I too was raised in a household with similar beliefs, Roman Catholic. From when I was a little kid in catholic school, something just didn't seem right. I don't understand how people can just put so much faith in something they cannot see and trust is real. I would rather spend my time and energy learning and improving myself than wasting it on some empty belief. If anything, the best description of a label I could place on myself is Taoist. Technically, we aren't going to hell for not believing in god and following christianity because god is all forgiving and therefore we are in the clear.
on Aug 27, 2004
no, I am by no means an agnostic. I believe that God is very real and does not deny any one who seeks him, regardless of there faith. That is my main greivance with many organized religions. But to be honest I am still sorting many other aspects of my faith out. It is still a work in progress. Thanks for you comments!
on Aug 27, 2004
Thank you for noting the harshness of my words. And yes, you are correct ,it is unfair to characterize all followers of this religion with such labels.

It is more appropriate to state that I have encountered some people in this faith who display those attributes. And unfortunate for me, I have been regularly exposed to these people creating a slight bias as well as anger. Often time when I write on this topic the anger become more appearent to the reader then I would like.
on Aug 27, 2004
I believe in God

He is a big guy, He will figure out what he wants to do with us all. Meanwhile I need to work on my salvation, I haven't had it that good that I can now worry and try to work on or for other people's salvation. Call me selfish, ignorant, trolling, I am just trying to share where I am.

For a time I worried and fretted about what you are talking about, that and the problem of evil, evolution vs. creation and all I came to is ...lost.
What I do know though is that God is God and that's what He will be, now and then, Heaven is His show and He can invite whoever He wants to I guess.
on Aug 27, 2004
He is a big guy, He will figure out what he wants to do with us all. Meanwhile I need to work on my salvation, I haven't had it that good that I can now worry and try to work on or for other people's salvation. Call me selfish, ignorant, trolling, I am just trying to share where I am.


wuxiaomao: These are the exact sentiments that I have about my own faith. It's nice to "meet" someone else who feels the same as I do about all this.
on Aug 27, 2004
Thank you for noting the harshness of my words. And yes, you are correct ,it is unfair to characterize all followers of this religion with such labels.

It is more appropriate to state that I have encountered some people in this faith who display those attributes. And unfortunate for me, I have been regularly exposed to these people creating a slight bias as well as anger. Often time when I write on this topic the anger become more appearent to the reader then I would like.


jotter: You took constructive criticism to this subject very well. That speaks volumes. I am definitely going to keep my eyes peeled for more of your work. Thanks!
on Aug 31, 2004
One commonly brought up "problem" with Christianity is the fact that we Christians believe that there is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ. Non-Christians call this intolerance. I have a problem with that. I am extremely tolerant of others' views. I just believe they are wrong. In order for tolerance to exist, there has to be some disagreement. If I agreed, it would not be tolerance, it would be acceptence. Secondly, in order for Christianity to be right, the other religions must be wrong. Reincarnation cannot be true if Christianity is. It is not intolerance, it is not bigotry, it is disagreement. There are areas of physics which are unexplained. Multiple people will put out different theories. They will inevitably be incompatible. They cannot all be true. It is not possible. It seems that in order not to offend everyone, each person is expected to hold views that conflict with no one. The whole concept of "Why can't every religion be right?" is complete nonsense. Either one of them is right, or they're all wrong. Simple as that.

In response to wusiaomao comment that he/she needs to work on his/her own salvation: the whole point of Christian teachings that you cannot work for your salvation. Every single person has failed. We have all sinned. The penalty for that is death. Hence the whole part about the only person who never sinned dying in our place. You know, that Jesus guy. There is nothing you can do to earn your salvation. Christianity teaches that the only way to recieve salvation is by accepting the fact that Jesus died for you, you are forgiven the second you ask.

There may be a lot of wackos and nutjobs in Christianity. But i'd be willing to bet that the percentage of nuts in every other religion, and those who don't have a religion is exactly the same as the percentage of crazy christians.
on Aug 31, 2004

I believe that God is very real and does not deny any one who seeks him, regardless of there faith.


See, that is the core of it, isn't it?  If people would just take a fresh look, they will see that everyone is praying to "god".  They may have different names for god.  They may see god in their own view.  But, it's all the same.  If people would just chill out and not be so egotistical (which is all I see when I hear somebody saying that their religion is the only true religion) than everyone would get a long a lot better.  It's sad that the one thing that should bond people together is the one thing that people fight over more than anything.

on Aug 31, 2004
Jotter,

You hit on something I've been thinking for awhile. I'm agnostic, btw. Raised Christian. Anyway, the way I see it, some sort of a God or gods is/are fundamental to all cultures, so that, if anything, makes me keep looking. But I'm not sure yet. Worse, I don't know what it would take to get me back. So I feel some kinship to what you're saying.

BTW, SDA isn't the religion in which you were raised, was it?

-A.
on Aug 31, 2004
nmrhth:

In response to wusiaomao comment that he/she needs to work on his/her own salvation: the whole point of Christian teachings that you cannot work for your salvation. Every single person has failed. We have all sinned. The penalty for that is death. Hence the whole part about the only person who never sinned dying in our place. You know, that Jesus guy.


I feel compelled to respond to this in that I professed agreement with wuxiaomao on that statement. My understanding of her statement was not that she felt she had to literally "work" for her salvation, but rather that she felt that she should put putting her effort and emphasis into removing her own "plank", so to speak, before presuming to remove the "specks" of others. That might not have been what she meant . . . I cannot speak for her . . . but that was my understanding of the statement and that is why readily agreed with her.

btw . . . I think you made some excellent points above, particularly in relation to the true meaning of tolerance.
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